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Pick Up Artist vs. Seduction Artist: Women aren’t Linear… They’re Multi-Dimensional

Hey guys,

Just a thought I recently had…

I recently began using a phrase while having a discussion within kasabi from the forum, “seduction artist”, a long while back I came to the conclusion that Pick up artists don’t really get laid… they get phone numbers… make outs…. Dates… but none them seem to get laid consistently (or it’s very limited)… They get lucky after making hundreds of approaches… even worse than the averages ironically… Even worse they then go out and give you advice on women and what they want.

Note: Pick up artists who talk about seduction tend to get laid though (these are often masters or seducers who started off as Pick up artists).

pickup lines13finalHonestly I’m tired of a lot of pick up artist’s advice… it sucks… it’s limiting and guys who actually fuck women find it as a useless bunch of information. Seduction Artists see everything as a tactic and that they vary for the moment. While most Pick up artists seem to think there is one tactic that will get you laid or get you a phone number… the problem is “there are a 1000 ways to skin a cat.”

No way is more right or wrong, simply different and depending on your personality and “frame” you will have tendencies and congruency with different tactic. I don’t think anyone should take on my exact behaviors but I teach guys the “why” of tactics so they know how they can use the same tactic with their personality and not mine…. What I do is not what works for the next guy… as well as vice versa.

The problem in the community is guys think there is one “routine” or magic technique that works every time for every man but that simply isn’t true.

The ultimate truth and difference is WOMEN ARE NOT LINEAR. There is no ONE technique… women are multi-dimensional so what should you be? MULTI-DIMENSIONAL.

The difference between a seduction artist and pick up artist is simple (outside of a seduction artist will get laid): A seduction artist is multi-dimensional with women… he is responsive… and reactive to her… a chameleon for her needs… and yes a confident collected man with substance… he reads her body language.

Flattery_Pick_Up_LinesA pick up artist has a small variety of skills he’s mastered and doesn’t really read and react to women but instead has a set form of behaviors where he “makes out with women” or scores number or dates.

I have been saying on the forum for the last 3 years body language is the key to natural game…. There is a reason for that… it allows you to react to and be responsive to the women… to come in at the energy level she needs… it creates the ultimate responsive form of game where you read her and thus: Build a connection, understand what she needs, blend to the women, and get a higher percentage of women.

Note: Exhibiting proper body language also gets you lots of “looks”.

You have guys who understand women and seduction rather than understand the “3 types of guys” on the forum and realize the majority guys who get laid know how and when to adjust…. There is no this tactic works better than that… there is this tactic works better for this situation while that tactic works better for that situation.

Note: There are tactics that tend to be more congruent with who we are thus work better for us.

Does this mean you shouldn’t have 1 go to move? No, we all have one tendency but the guys who get laid by the dozen… the guys who fuck hundreds of women… the guys who never needed this forum… the “seduction artists” use many tactics and are responsive to the woman.

testicalBased-HumourBe careful who you take advice from… careful you don’t take advice from pick up artist or you’ll just going to be another guy collecting numbers and not fucking girls… be a seduction artist with a variety of tools. The Most important thing is seduction artists teach guys to be themselves and fuck the girl by way of giving them a variety of tools that work for their situation and are congruent with that person. They also teach you the RIGHT frame to work from rather than some bull shit frame that isn’t as adaptive.


There is one truth with women that can’t be argued “women are multi-dimensional.”

This leads us to another truth “The best way to consistently get women is to be multi-dimensional….Be a responsive man that knows the when and what.”

Good luck in all your Seduction endeavors guys.

Peace and Love,



About Science of Natural Game

I understand what it’s like to be that guy who struggles with women. I was god awful with women, I not once but twice went multiple years without sex, and I promise it wasn’t by choice. Ignorance played a large role in my issues with women, if I would have known now back in the days my dating life would have never slouched. I got desperate for affection with women, I wished I could have more. I read those pick up manuals, I read books by scientists on courtship. I went out and experienced what worked for me, and what “worked for others”. I found a process that makes every man skilled with women. I realized something else, yeah some of this stuff might work for some guys but we are all a little different and that’s a good thing… what I say may not be what you say, but there is a simple science and process to getting good with women and if you follow this process you will indeed be happy with your abilities with women. The most important thing for me is for you to be you, I don’t want to change who you are, I want you to love who you are, I want you to understand who you are, and I want you to be happy about all of it. I won’t ask you to dress up in peacocking outfit, I’ll ask you to be the most attractive guy by giving you skills and assets. Being you will be the peacock, will get you the attention of beautiful women. Most guys will simply tell you what to say and that will get you laid… but what happens when I am not here to tell you what to say? When what I have to say feels bland and not quite you? I don’t want you to be anyone else but you, the best you and the Man you want to be. I won’t tell you what to say, I’ll teach you to have a conversation. I won’t lie to you, I’ll tell you how it is and give you the facts. I won’t say it to be mean, I will say it for you to grow and become your best you with women and for you. I want you to be honest, knowledgeable, and sexy, and you will be when I’m done with you. Knowledge is power, and honesty is sexy…. I am not asking you to be anyone else, after all everyone else is already taken. If you need help or support with anything I am here, because I care about you. I want you to be a great, I want you to be all you can be. I want you to be your best self and that means I am here to support you in all your endeavors in life, not just with women but living the life you want… if you want to travel let’s figure out how, if you want to dance let’s teach you, if it’s weight loss let’s figure it out, if you want to surf let’s get you on a board, let’s give you the life you want and dream about, to let you be the you dream of being. I feel there is a process to getting women and more importantly getting good with women, it’s a science and if you follow the process it will work for you. Science isn’t about what’s true, as the truth is merely a perception science is the process we conclude will give us results… that’s what I give guys – results, the ability to get the women that will make them happy and help them live the life they love. Peace and Love, Vic


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